I have the newly updated dates of manufacture, and production numbers for Winchesters. Larry Shennum and Bert Hartman just compiled these dates from the Winchester Polishing Room records, and miles of microfilm converted to jpg. Files.The dates in the Blue Book, and any you find online, are based on the Madis data, and are severely flawed. Your 'Antique' may be a C&R, or visa versa!:eek:Post the model and serial number, use X's if you're worried about that stuff, but give me at least the first 3 digits, and I'll give you the DOM, and production numbers if I have them. A few models were not serial numbered, and a few there are no serial number records, but both have production numbers and the years produced.Models list:Henry Rifle, 1886, 1873, 1876, Hotchkiss Rifle, 1885, 1886, 1887, 1890, 1892, 1893, 1894, 1895, 1897, 1900, 1901, 1902, 99 Thumb Trigger, 1903, 1904, 1905, 1906, 1907, 1910, 1911, 12, 20, 21, 24, 25, 36, 37, 40, 41, 42, 43, 47, 50, 52, 53, 54, 55 Lever, 55.22, 56, 58, 59.22, 59 shotgun, 60, 60A, 61, 62, 63, 64, 65, 67, 677, 68, 69, 697. 70, 71, 72, 74, 75, 77, 88, 100, 190, 250, 270, 290Reposting this to this thread so it doesn't get lost:I've been asked more than once, why almost all the sources for Winchester manufacture dates, for all the various models of Winchesters, is flawed.
This is the answer in short, with the reason for the importance of correcting it.A man named George Madis compiled the Winchester DOM's after he salvaged the Winchester records from a dumpster. He gets major kudos for that!Unfortunately, many of the records were destroyed or missing, so he simply made up the rest.The Winchester collector world accepted his word on all things Winchester as gospel. Until recently!My friend Bert Hartman among others started digging around in the Cody Museum basement, and discovered boxes full of microfilm containing all the Polishing Room Records.
Some unknown hero had the forethought to record the records on microfilm.Bert and others painstakingly transferred all the microfilm to jpeg. Files.The Polishing room is when and where each receiver got it's serial number. That is the actual 'Date of Manufacture'.Depending on production demands, some serialed receivers made late in the year, 'may have been' assembled and sold early in the next year.Since the Madis information was never questioned, until now, it was taken as gospel and reprinted almost everywhere you seek the info.The Blue Book of Gun Values has now been the first source to the public, to print the revised DOM's. But the resistance to acknowledge this info is still strong.it's still printed alongside the old Madis info.Why the resistance to acceptance of the accurate information?Serious Winchester collectors have a substantial investment wrapped up in their collections.
Trap, can I hit you up also? I have a Model 1873 carbine that reportedly came off a ranch Oregon that is brown and worn and looks like it is was used to hunt Wooly Mammoths during the last Ice Ages.
Nice wall hanger though. Serial number 548,536. Thanks, GeologyjohnJohn, yours made 1900, 14,629 made that year. PR records yours.Is it a Carbine or Saddle Ring Carbine?My '73.44-40 SRC looked like it had been used for a grape stake, after hunting woolly mammoths!
Obviously heavily used in a saddle scabbard, horse had cribbed half the buttstock off, you could still see the teeth marks on it!Cleaned it up, replaced the stock with an original, and was surprised to find the action locked up tight as new! Kick to shoot, no recoil.I learned a valuable lesson the hard way about 73's, while checking for function before I shot it. The 73 ejects 'empty' cases up, back, and over your head with a bit of force. It does the same with a loaded round, except for one thing.a loaded round doesn't quite clear your forehead!:o:D. Ok, I'll try you:) model 54 30-06 with a Stainless barrel sn:31584a I the past i was under the impression it was a 1929? But I have zero data how many model 54's came with a stainless barrel, let alone that year, and thank youMade early 1930, 3395 made that year.
Made 1925 to 1936, with only 50,145 made.What version do you have? There was a standard, carbine, sniper, and super grade.I don't have any info on the stainless barrels, but I know Bert dug up some. Next time I talk to him, I'll see what he has for you.
Made early 1930, 3395 made that year. Made 1925 to 1936, with only 50,145 made.What version do you have? There was a standard, carbine, sniper, and super grade.I don't have any info on the stainless barrels, but I know Bert dug up some. Next time I talk to him, I'll see what he has for you.trap, that was super nice of you!!! I would imagine a std grade, barrel is aprox 24', prolly was blackened @ one point, now raw stainless ( how i got it) has 2 tapped drill holes on side of rear receiver, drilled & tapped for redfield one piece mount on top (3 holes) currently has nikon monarch on it. Checkering is flat. I dunno what a sniper grade is?
Thank you sooo much again. Model 1873 Winchester: octagon barrel, cal. 424766BModel 1873 Winchester: sporter barrel, cal. 424766B, made 1892, 35,969 made that yearSN. 295951B, made 1889, 38,651 made that year, PR records on both.Looking at this list of sterilized numbers, really gets you thinking.Pretty amazing when you think how primitive things were in 1889, how complex an 1873 is, and they still produced over '38 THOUSAND' rifles that year!And 122 years later, it was made well enough that it's still here, and probably in working condition. Think about it for a minute, how many other tools in your house right now are 122 yrs old? WTH did you find longs?:confused: Were they the CCI CB longs?
That's all I can find!:mad:I picked up a nice little Remington #4 Rolling Block Takedown chambered in.22 short and long. The CB longs were okay, but the HiSpeed shorts worked better.BTW gentleman, you are all most welcome for the info!
It's been fun digging in these serial number records, I'm learning something too!Writing this info down on a piece of paper, and slipping it under the buttplate for a future generation wouldn't be a bad idea. It would appear that mine is a std grade, thank you again, what a fantastic resource you offer!! Iin your spare time, if you happen to remember, how many ss were made would be totally awesome!! Thank you again!!freonr22, just got off the phone with Bert, man talk about information overload!:eek: You get him started on Winchester stuff and your head will explode!Anyhow, on the stainless barrels, made 1926-1930, and they made em for damned near all the models, shotguns too, and rare on most models. But the most common one he has seen was on the model 54.The barrels were painted with 'Japan Black', and you rarely see one without at least half of it gone. He said Hoppes will take it off.There hasn't been any data on how many were produced, or what they were produced for.I learned something new today myself, with the exception of a few.22 models, Winchester stamped a two digit DOM on the bottom of the barrels, just in front of the receivers, from 1924-1955. As I recall, back in the 50's I used to buy any box of.22 ammo for something like 4 bits, at the hardware store in town.And these youngsters just look at us funny when we talk about the good ol' days.:DI remember getting peeved when the price of a brick of 500 shot up to $9!:eek:Watch Wally World for the.22 shorts and CB shorts, for some reason they end up sitting on the shelf, and the price is almost reasonable.
Sometimes they'll have the CB longs too. I don't think anyone even makes longs now, only the CB longs.
Thank Trap!With better than 13,000 made that year, I guess my '94 isn't so terribly rare.Bruce, bad guess.:)13,000 was a relatively low production number for 94's, and think about how many have survived the last 88 years.To give you a better idea, from 1894 to 1963, they produced 2,600,500!Ist year of 1894 only 1,674 were made.Lowest number made between 1894 and 1963 was 0 in 1943.The previous year of 1942, 29,882 were made, 1944 only 13 were made.1948 saw the highest number produced of 147, 934!So yeah.IMHO, 1 of 13,000 made 88 years ago is rare enough, especially a SRC!;). One database I found reported 1908, don't remember what it was based on.Like I said in the start, all the info that has been available, was based on the Madis information. It's been know for years that his info was incorrect, but until now, no one has done anything to correct it.Even now, The Blue Book still refuses to correct their data.
For all the problems Madis caused by knowingly listing false information, Winchester collectors of the world owe him a debt of gratitude. He was the guy that salvaged all the records from a dumpster, where Winchester had tossed them!:eek. I found a wall hanger at a Pawn shop that just came in and hasn't been priced yet.
It was a 1886 Winchester Deluxe model 45-90. The gun showed poor storage but could be cleaned up. The action was SWEET!!!!!! What are these going for these days?This Ol Boy would love to have her.See if they'll let you take pics, condition and features on a deluxe can swing price a big chunk either way. 45/90 is a plus, majority were special order too.If you're serious about buying it, get me the serial, and I may be able to find out what it was shipped with for factory options.
That way you can bargain the price down if something has been changed. Freonr22, if I didn't enjoy it, I wouldn't have made the offer.;)It's surprising sometimes what the actual date is, as opposed to what the owner thought, or was told it was.Bert comes down from WA for every spring and fall for the Big Reno Show. If you go, bring your Winchester for Bert to look at. I can only give you the DOM, he can usually tell you that, the month made, and probably a few more things even the Winchester factory has forgotten.
He'll give you a honest appraisal too.If you are shopping for something specific, be it rifle or parts, he already knows who has it, where in the show to find it, and most times haggle the price for you too. I have the newly updated dates of manufacture, and production numbers for Winchesters. Larry Shennum and Bert Hartman just compiled these dates from the Winchester Polishing Room records, and miles of microfilm converted to jpg. Files.The dates in the Blue Book, and any you find online, are based on the Madis data, and are severely flawed. Your 'Antique' may be a C&R, or visa versa!:eek:Post the model and serial number, use X's if you're worried about that stuff, but give me at least the first 3 digits, and I'll give you the DOM, and production numbers if I have them. A few models were not serial numbered, and a few there are no serial number records, but both have production numbers and the years produced.Models list:Henry Rifle, 1886, 1873, 1876, Hotchkiss Rifle, 1885, 1886, 1887, 1890, 1892, 1893, 1894, 1895, 1897, 1900, 1901, 1902, 99 Thumb Trigger, 1903, 1904, 1905, 1906, 1907, 1910, 1911, 12, 20, 21, 24, 25, 36, 37, 40, 41, 42, 43, 47, 50, 52, 53, 54, 55 Lever, 55.22, 56, 58, 59.22, 59 shotgun, 60, 60A, 61, 62, 63, 64, 65, 67, 677, 68, 69, 697. 70, 71, 72, 74, 75, 77, 88, 100, 190, 250, 270, 290TRAP55Here is the info on my Model 97 Take Down, FULL choke, serial number looks like E over 80604B (?).
We've had this thing in the family since around 1948 after it was found in an attic up in Weott. Last time is was shot was 1957. Safe to shoot with modern ammo? Been thinking about making it into a riot or trenchgun configuration.Thanks,Bob B. Man, that brings back some old memories, none of which I could post here.:D80604 would be 1899, if that 'B' is an '8', it would be 1925.I'm an advocate of 'it's your gun, you can do what you want to it' (with a few exceptions), But chopping up old Winchesters, does make me cringe. If you just want a room broom HD 12ga, for the love of Winchesters, trade it to me for a ported 20'bbl 870 Express!What gauge is is it?Does the bbl have a chamber marking?Does it say nickle steel or fluid steel?
Alrighty then! One my Dad gave me. He bought it used & took many a rabbit with it.62A s/n 259614X, yes there really is an X in the s/n.:).22 short, long or long rifle, tube fed slide action. Real fun to shoot! I think it sold for about $17 new in the 50's.Thanks in advance Trap55!Bruce, the X is part of the serial.
The 62 'A' came out in 1940 with a breech bolt change from the 62. The 62 was a updated version of the earlier 1890 and 1906. That's where the parts bin carry over occurred.Your pump slide should be longer than the 62 and have more grooves. 8' long and 17 grooves.
Man, that brings back some old memories, none of which I could post here.:D80604 would be 1899, if that 'B' is an '8', it would be 1925.I'm an advocate of 'it's your gun, you can do what you want to it' (with a few exceptions), But chopping up old Winchesters, does make me cringe. If you just want a room broom HD 12ga, for the love of Winchesters, trade it to me for a ported 20'bbl 870 Express!What gauge is is it?Does the bbl have a chamber marking?Does it say nickle steel or fluid steel?Ok, So I was working off a file photo of the '97. Now that I've actually dug it out the Serial number is 806043. The barrel markings only show Model 97-Winchester - 12 G.A. The other side has the patent dates last one of July 5 1910. The buttstock was shortened probably back in the 1940's and I remember it having a dark brown slip on recoil pad which rotted off years ago. Odd thing is it has a Remington buttplate on it!
Seems like a pretty soild shotgun, blued part of the finish has turned plum. My folks owned the Auto Court at the south end of Weott back in the late 1940's before moving to Lancaster. That Auto Court was wiped out in the floods of the early 1950's. You're in Dixon? I was just in Woodland the past few days and at Mary's Pizza Shack in Dixon, one of our favorite places to go when we're down that way. I worked for a Dixon trucking company back in the 1990's.
Oh thankyou, I owe you a 6 pack for that.The serial is under the buttplateHere you go trap, Minus a breach shot because it was all blurry and I already put it away.A 6 pack 'and' a keyboard cleaning!:)That's in pretty good shape, I hope it gets 'fed' on a regular basis. That serial under the buttplate, does it look like it was stamped? And are the numbers the same font and size as the ones on the tang?psssniper, TWO YEARS!?:eek: Once you do shoot it, you'll never let it go that long again.;)Cast boolits and Trail Boss powder, the 40/60 is a pleasure to shoot.
QUOTE=TRAPA 6 pack 'and' a keyboard cleaning!:)That's in pretty good shape, I hope it gets 'fed' on a regular basis. That serial under the buttplate, does it look like it was stamped?
And are the numbers the same font and size as the ones on the tang?QUOTEI fire it everytime Im out shooting, Also fun to watch others take a try and not expect the weight compared to other firearms.The # under the buttplate is stamped but will have to get back to you on the font as it is put away at the moment. QUOTE=TRAPA 6 pack 'and' a keyboard cleaning!:)That's in pretty good shape, I hope it gets 'fed' on a regular basis. That serial under the buttplate, does it look like it was stamped? You're welcome, and thanks for the story that goes with em.We all, at one time or another have held an old gun, and thought 'if this rifle could only talk'. Well, some can, if you pass the history down with the gun. Write it down on a slip of paper, and stick it under the butt plate.A good friend of mine inherited a 1897 Diamond Grade Trap 12ga when his grandfather passed.
Thing kicked like a mule with light Trap loads in it! He had me pull it completely apart for a good cleaning, and oil down the stocks. When we pulled the buttpad off, there was a roll of old hunting licenses stuffed under it dating back to the 30's, all with his grandfathers name.We carefully pulled them apart, and he has them displayed in a picture frame now. His grandfather had wrote down how many birds he took that year on each license.
That shotgun must have had a million rounds through it! I have several Winchesters. If you could give me the dates I would appreciate it. Here they are:Shotgun Model 12 - 635XXX Made late 1929, 42746 made that yearShotgun Model 12 - 1960XXX Made late 1963, 25662 made that yearM1 Carbine - 1086XXX Made Sept 1942 - Feb 1944, I have no other info95 carbine Lever action 30-40 Krag - 425XXX???
So few made the last 3 yrs of production, I need the whole serial on that one! 1931-3330-30 Model 94 - 2834XXX 1963 ended about serial number 2,600,300, SN 3,000,000 was assembled in 197022 caliber pump 62A - 111XXX Made 1940, 18501 made that year. You're welcome, and thanks for the story that goes with em.We all, at one time or another have held an old gun, and thought 'if this rifle could only talk'. Well, some can, if you pass the history down with the gun. Write it down on a slip of paper, and stick it under the butt plate.Great advice! I wish I had been older and paid more attention to my Grampees stories. My Mother & Brother have some stories for some of the guns he owned and my Father did a bit of hunting with him before he quit hunting.
One gun he owned was a gift from an Uncle in Missouri that had been used during the Civil War. I'd so love an old Winchester but when I go to the gun show I have no idea about the values and I don't want to be ripped off.winnre, if you've never been to the Big Reno Show, you have to go at least once. It's a candy store of vintage Winchesters. Bert Hartman is there for the spring and fall shows, I'll hook you up with him.By the time you get to walk through the door, he's already been there for a day inventorying every Winchester in the building. All you have to do is, tell him what you're looking for, what you have to spend. Then keep up with him, he's worse than a coon hound on scent.Once you find one you can't live without, he'll verbally beat the seller down to a lower price like he was the one buying it!:)I hooked Croweman08 with Bert about a year ago, he had Winchester info overload in about 30 minutes.
Bert helped him make a nice score on a rifle at the last show. Great advice!
I wish I had been older and paid more attention to my Grampees stories. My Mother & Brother have some stories for some of the guns he owned and my Father did a bit of hunting with him before he quit hunting. One gun he owned was a gift from an Uncle in Missouri that had been used during the Civil War.Clip, I have a 1874 Sharps Business rifle that was given to me by a friend for restoring a closet full of rifles he had.
It was broke, and I got it in a coffee can full of parts. Took about 8 years to restore it.Thankfully he remembered the story that went with it when his dad gave it to him.His dad was best buddy to a man named Bill Grinnell, a retired Canadian Mountie. During his colorful career, he was also Teddy Roosevelt's hunting guide. TR gave him the rifle from his own collection of firearms.I ran into a guy at a Pomona gunshow that had written a book on TR's guns. After flipping through the pics of his guns, I asked if TR owned a Sharps, and he pulled out an old picture of TR and Bill standing over a dead lion, and Bill holding the 1874 Sharps Business Rifle.I could see he was also wearing an old Colt revolver on his belt.
When I got home, I went over to see Gary and tell him about it. He tells me he thinks he has that Colt in a trunk his dad had packed away.We go digging and drag out a 1878 Colt double action that looked like it had been dipped in molasses. It was about 1/8th inch thick coating of varnish! Took it home, pulled the grips, and dropped it in a can of carb cleaner. When I got it all cleaned up, it was in like mint condition, chambered in.44 Russian. Serial number was 778, 1st year of production.
Under that was another serial number. Stamped alongside RCMP.Never could talk him out of that one.:(. Thanks, I put in the full serial numbers for the ones you could not pin down. Was wondering if you could get them any closer.M1 Carbine - 1086316 Made Sept 1942 - Feb 1944, I have no other infoM1 Carbine manufactures were issued serial number blocks, and those blocks were used in specific years. That is all I have for yours. Someone did research all these and put the DOM's in a book, maybe one of the M1 Carbine guys here can help on this one.95 carbine Lever action 30-40 Kraig - 425113 So few made the last 3 yrs of production, I need the whole serial on that one!
1931-33Made 1931, with 861 made that year. 1932 had 302, and the last year made in 1933, only saw 56 made.30-30 Model 94 - 28 ended about serial number 2,600,300, SN 3,000,000 was assembled in 1970The data I have here is from the Pre-1964 Polishing room records, I'll ask Bert if he can date that one for you. M1 Carbine - 1086316 Made Sept 1942 - Feb 1944, I have no other infoM1 Carbine manufactures were issued serial number blocks, and those blocks were used in specific years. That is all I have for yours. Someone did research all these and put the DOM's in a book, maybe one of the M1 Carbine guys here can help on this one.95 carbine Lever action 30-40 Kraig - 425113 So few made the last 3 yrs of production, I need the whole serial on that one! 1931-33Made 1931, with 861 made that year. 1932 had 302, and the last year made in 1933, only saw 56 made.30-30 Model 94 - 28 ended about serial number 2,600,300, SN 3,000,000 was assembled in 1970The data I have here is from the Pre-1964 Polishing room records, I'll ask Bert if he can date that one for you.Thanks a lot for the information.
I have a question for you. I've been thinking about selling some of my collection, but I've never sold any vintage pieces before. They were handed down to me from my father. Do you have any suggestions on how I can get top dollar for a vintage gun? I know there are appraisers, and books that give the values, but I don't know how accurate the books are, given the economic changes.
I assume the way to get the best price is to sell to some individual. Eightmd, see post #120 in this thread, same offer stands for any calgunners. Bert will appraise a Winchester from email pics, but he hates to do it, he would rather have hands on. I tell him he's getting too old and can't see the details in pics.:)He knows all the collectors at the show, knows who is looking for what, and how bad they want it.;)If you don't find a buyer, Rock Island Auctions is usually there at the show, and will set you up for a consignment. Their auctions are international, and bring big money.I have a rare AH Thomson single shot target pistol I may list with them, the last one they sold brought $4200.I had a 'Thomson collector' email me with a 'fair' offer of $900. I emailed him back and asked when the other 3 $900 payments would be made. He didn't respond.:D.
Receiver number 3971xx was made in late 1907Take down barrel and mag assembly 6523xx made in 1917Makes you wonder what happen to the two halves of the other two guns?:confused:Wow! 10 years apart? Yeah, never heard what happened to their respective halves. The FFL01 I bought it from said it came from an estate sale. It was one of those sales where none of the heirs knew about 'Grampa's old guns' but I'm happy with it.The unknown history kinda gives it some mystique to it. I can easily imagine the 97 was pressed into service for 'The Great War' and during a bloody battle, suffered severe damage from a 8 mm round.
During a lull in the fighting, the 97 was repaired by an armorer in the most field expedient way possible. Salvaging another serviceable barrel and mag assembly so it can return to the trenches and eventually returning home.Or. The original owner was out hunting, dropped the 97 barrel first into the ground, resulting in a clogged barrel. Then in a split second, game appeared and the owner instantly reacted by aiming and pulling the trigger.
Which caused the barrel to banana peel.:facepalm:So even though I'll never know what happened, it'll be amusing to think up what could have happened.:p. Some notes on the 1893/1897 Winchester shotguns.Serial numbers for the 1897's were a continuation of the 1893 serial numbers.The 1897 started with serial # 32,909, and ended with #46,190 in 1897.The Model 1893 was manufactured with a rolled (fluid) steel barrel as standard. 3-blade and 4-blade Damascus steel barrels were a special order item only. It was the combination of its shorter 2-5/8' chamber, and being designed for black powder pressure levels that was its down fall. Winchester never formally 'recalled' it, but they did offer to replace them with a new Model 1897 if the owner wished.Bert has been surveying the 1893 for a number of years now, and thus far he has found (110) of them.
In his review of the historical records (at the Cody Firearms Museum research office), there were only a few thousand of them that were returned and replaced with a Model 1897.The very last 1897 was made in 1957, the only one made that year,serial # 1,024,701. Hey Trap.I've got a model 1894 ser.# 929663.I'm wondering if there is a way to check if the options on this 'Short Rifle' are from the factory.Thanks, TerryTerry, that one was made early 1921, big drop in production that year, to only 8928 made. A Cody letter will tell the options, and if it went back for any others or repairs. How long is the barrel, and can you post a pic?I'm not sure if Bert has wrapped up his Model 1894 survey for the new book yet, but I'm sure he would be interested in yours.
Trap.Cody Museum told me they didn't have the records for this one except for the correct date. This rifle has a 20 In. Octagon barrel with the express sight, looks like factory checkering, tang sight also, Crescent butt plate with the opening for the cleaning rod, sling swivel studs with the fore arm capped as a rifle, and this gun is also a take down model in.32 special.Bore is also Very good too excellent, Wood is Very good.Sure would like to know if the options were factory,I just purchased this rifle and will not have it home till March 6th.I'll take photos then.Terry. Trap.Cody Museum told me they didn't have the records for this one except for the correct date. This rifle has a 20 In. Octagon barrel with the express sight, looks like factory checkering, tang sight also, Crescent butt plate with the opening for the cleaning rod, sling swivel studs with the fore arm capped as a rifle, and this gun is also a take down model in.32 special.Bore is also Very good too excellent, Wood is Very good.Sure would like to know if the options were factory,I just purchased this rifle and will not have it home till March 6th.I'll take photos then.TerryTerry, I was up in Sonora this morning delivering to the hospital, couldn't feel my fingers when I got back in the truck!
Felt like it was about to snow.' IF' there is any info on your rifle, after Bert sees some pics, he'll find it.
One with all the options yours has, he'll dig.:) There are some early ones that won't letter, he'll let you know right away if yours won't. He has full access to the Cody records, and sits on the board for WACA ( )Email Bert Hartman at Win1885@msn.com and tell him what you have, and the options. He's gonna want pics.Make sure 'WINCHESTER' is in the subject line, and tell him Trap sent ya.We're always at the spring and fall Reno show, next one is April 6-8. If you haven't been, you need to, just to see the Winchesters. Bring yours, you'll get more with a hands on from him.http://www.bigrenoshow.com/.
Thanks again Trap.Yes, it was a colder day in Sonora today! Much nicer yesterday at our pistol shoot in Jamestown.but it was about 70 last sat. We just had some rain today, but didn't snow yet, maybe wednesday??I'll send an e-mail to that 1885 address and have some pics up soon!Speaking of a Model 1885, I was looking at one for several months.trying to come up with some money.and when I finally had some cash to deal.I checked out the bore.It was Awful.and I wanted a shooter!Cool Original 45-90 though!!Terry:). To quote Bert, 'Real Men own and shoot a Winchester SINGLE-SHOT!' :)You should see some of the ones he has!
He has a couple in his collection he gets offers of $50K on all the time. He's close to completing a comprehensive book on the 1885's.He got me this one for $500 less than my lowball offer.
Serial 1933 made in 1886. It was originally barreled in 38-55, then re-barreled to.32-40 and the scope blocks added long before I got it. I mounted the vintage Wollensak scope, and found two vintage Winchester bullet molds to reload with. The rifle is sweet to shoot.http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v73/TRAP55/newpics029.jpg.
Do you have info on my Model 94,.30-30 s/n 4644952? Thanks.bigger hammer, My data on the 94's is only on pre 64's, with the last serial number of 2,600,500.
My best WAG was late 70's, maybe '77?Serial # 1,000,000 was engraved and presented to President Calvin Coolidge in 19271,500,000 was presented to President Harry S. Truman on May 8th, 19482,000,000 was presented to President Dwight Eisenhower in 19532,500,000 was assembled in 19613,000,000 was assembled in 1970All told, by January of the year 1980, 5,200,000 Model 1894/94 Rifles, Carbines, and Commemoratives, had been manufactured at Winchester’s New Haven factory. 1892, 32wcf, special order carabine, round barrel, half mag,s/n 584109.Made early 1911, with 64,308 made that year.There's a gentleman on the TFF forums, doing a 1892 survey like the one Bert has been doing on the 1894's. He would be very interested in yours, being a special order. I'll get his contact info for you, and edit it to this post.d@rk51d3, twobit, aka Michael is doing the survey.http://www.levergunscommunity.com/vi.survey#p343093http://www.winchestercollector.org/f.pic.php?t=3460. Hi Trap55,I'd like to know about my Model 100 in.308, serial number 1935.
I know it's pre-'64 because it has the cut checkering (not pressed, like later years). I think it was made the first year they came out with this model, 1961?, but not sure.Thanks,MikeYep Mike, probably Jan of 1961, with 32,189 made that year.Made 1961 to 1973, total of 262,838 made. Last serial number that is 'pre 1964' was 78,863.Mike, has yours had the firing pin recall done yet?Contact them at 800-852-5734 or write them at:Winchester Firing Pin Recall NoticePO Box 10 Cottage Hills, IL 62018If you will send them the old firing pin along with the s/n they will send a new pin and a gift card for $30.00 to cover installation.Be sure the pin has not been changed to the new style before tearing into the action. The old style pin can be rotated in the bolt while the new style has a milled flat that prevents rotation. The back of the pin can be examined through the magazine well without dis-assembly.
Is there a place to go to buy a Winchester specifically? Gun stores may have a couple on the shelf but I want a really nice old shooter, maybe online? I don't know what to look for so I need to trust a shop.The Big Reno Show, specifically the Spring (this weekend), and the Fall show. Winchester collectors from all over make this show their meeting place for the western US. I've never been, but I hear the only two rivals are the Tulsa, OK show, and the Cody, WY show.Make the Reno Show, and I'll hook you up with Bert Hartman. He's already been there before the show starts, and knows where every Winchester in the building is. All you have to do is tell him what you are looking for, and what you have to spend.then cut him loose.
Let him do the haggling on price, and you'll be done within an hour.:). THIS weekend? Oh geeze no can do, drat! When is the fall show, are the dates set yet? I'll for sure make it if the Army hasn't sent me to some fun place then.But the flip side. I trust CalGuns folks to the point, Trap55, that I feel I can say 'Let me Paypal you $3,000 and get me something to be proud of.'
I'd do just that but I'm going to go broke at a gun store tomorrow for ordered items.Then again I have no idea HOW MUCH I would need to get something nice. Is there a place I should start reading?
#482197 was made in early 1910, with 39,832 made that year.#338084 D was made in 1906, with 42,645 made that year.The 'D' was to indicate a production change, could have been something as simple as changing one screw size, or even how the screw was made. There isn't to my knowledge, any real info concerning the letter prefix/suffix on Winchester serial numbers, and the production change they would indicate.Value? 'pristine' and 'mint' can easily describe a refinished gun to the untrained eye, or an unmolested safe queen.
There are some versions of the 1897 that bring a premium, some a BIG premium! With the cowboy action shooting, many have been re-finished and/or chopped, so even Field grade guns have come up in value.Even with pics, I can only guesstimate. Bert Hartman prefers a hands on evaluation, but with good quality pics, he will give you an honest appraisal with current fair market price.You can email him at: Win1885@msn.comTell him Trap sent you, and be sure to put '1897 Winchester' in the subject line. Hi Trap.I have a few, if you don't mind.Win 1895 SN 419927 Caliber? Barrel says.30, but is that.30-06,.30-30,.30-40,.303?Win 1892 SN 11188Win 61 SN 99181Win 1897 135292 CThanks.Win 1895 SN 419927 was made early in 1924, only 1144 made that year, with serial numbers from 419731 to 420874.
Marked '.30 Army' would be a 30/40, too late a production to be a 30-03, so marked '.30', it has to be a 30/06. The 06 was the only rimless of those choices with the 30/03 exception, bolt face will confirm that.Win 1892 SN 11188 was made in 1893, with 15,683 made that year.Win 61 SN 99181 was made in early 1948, with 24,175 made that year.Win 1897 135292 C was made in 1901, with 34,209 made that year.
Hi Trap,My dad handed down to me a,Winchester Model 64, Serial #11303XX, 32 ws 24 in barrel, found a number 36 stampedin-front of the trigger. Are papers available showing who ordered the rifle? Either my grandfather or his dad. Back in 1937 it's a toss up.any information greatly appreciated.Thank you, TrapSteve,Steve, Made in 1937.The Model 64 serial numbers were in the Model 1894 range, so I don't have the production number of 64's for that year. They were made from 1933 to 1957, with an approximate total of 66,783 made.Bert Hartman is doing a survey on the 64's, and has access to the Cody records, he can tell you if there is a letter available. 'IF' there is, it can show as little as to when it was shipped, or show that, and where it was shipped, and can include the business it was shipped to, like a hardware store. Special order rifles 'may' sometimes include for who, but very rare.Any special features the rifle had whe.
.This is a rare original antique Winchester Rifle – Model 1873 and bears serial numbered 281889B Manufactured in 1888 The barrel measures approx.22 cal. Bore has strong rifling and is dark in the grooves 90% original nickel finish Wood is excellent and the butt plate still has very good case colors This antique firearm shows handsomely and is in excellent condition for its age.The 1873 Winchester was the most popular lever-action center-fire rifle that Winchester ever produced. It was available in several different configurations and three different ‘Models.’ In 1884 Winchester offered the rifle in a.22 caliber. The 1873 Winchester was produced from 1873 through +/- 1919.Stamped Inscriptions: “22 Short”, “Model 1873”, “281889B”, “Winchester’s Repeating Arms New Haven, Conn.
– King’s Improvement Patented March 29, 1866 October 16, 1860 ”Winchester 1873 Rifle –.22 short caliber24″ heavy octagon barrel90%-93% original nickel finishFull length magazine tubeAction is tightMade in 1888Bore has good lands and groovesSerial number 281889BApproximately 750,000 Winchester Model 1873 guns were manufactured, starting in 1873. They were introduced alongside Winchester’s new.44-40 caliber ammunition. This new centerfire round was more powerful than Winchester’s earlier.44 rimfire round. As a result, the brass frame of the Model 1866 was upgraded to a stronger steel frame. The ’73 was available in a rifle, carbine or musket configuration. Dozens of variations were available, which makes the Winchester ’73 a fun gun to collect. The production is broken into three main categories: first, second and third model.
Of the three models, production of the Third Model greatly outnumbers First and Second Models. One thing that makes collecting Winchester guns interesting is that variations tend to be introduced over a transitional period, rather than at a specific start and stop date. The way to identify the various models relates to how the dustcover is attached, and the arrangement of screws behind the trigger.
The earliest Winchester ’73’s had no caliber marking, because initially they all used.44-40 ammo, also known as.44 WCF. As other calibers were introduced later, it became necessary to mark the caliber on all guns. The 73 rifle was eventually available in.44,.38 and.32 calibers.The.22 Caliber version was introduced in 1883, but less than 20,000 of these were produces.
An even fewer number of Model 1873 rifles with.22 short caliber exist today.Post Civil War Guns. KindCollectibles, Militaria, WeaponsArtist / MakerWinchesterDate19th CenturySubjectAmerican Civil War, Guns, Historical, Hunting, Military, WeaponOriginAmerican.